Repost; Fremantle Council, on the nose over Dunnys

I thought it was time to re-post this article from earlier in the year, after listening to some of the debate at the Special Projects Committee last night.

The conversation was in the “Update on the Fremantle Activity Centre Structure Plan”. I was quite surprised and thought I had heard wrong, when Councillor Fittock describe how good and clean Fremantle public toilets are, while referencing his trip to the UK and the poor state he found the local ablutions in a town he had visited to be.

While I have no idea how these toilets where in the UK he referenced to then think the state of toilets in Fremantle are in good condition is quite laughable.

I have often heard  comments in Freo that people really miss Myers as at least there you had toilets that are functioning, clean and safe.

In the last 5 years have seen less public toilets in Fremantle with the closure of Myers and Point St car-parks.

Its still a nightmare for parents who need to change or tend to babies and infants needs. Considering the volume of people attending the Round House, Arthur’s Head a major tourist area the facilities there are woeful.

Council really needs to get a grasp on reality for issues like this?

Fremantle Council, on the nose over Dunnys

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I see in the Chambers Newsletter they have an article or info piece on toilets from the COF and a link to a survey.

So it seems while the City of Fremantle has what you think would a responsibility in managing the city to supply such amenities as basic as public toilets?

In the survey they are trying to gauge the response from business owners/operators to open up their own toilets for public use?

For a city that has some of WA, major tourist attractions this is pretty P1ss weak to say the least. You think if you paid rates as a business that these would be basic services a city would provide in at least the CBD?

Back in December 2104 ‘From the Chambers” (gives a new meaning right), the report identified the need I quote to “Provide for high quality public amenities (toilets etc.) that can be integrated with other activity to provide surveillance.

Below are a list of recent toilet comments, petitions, complaints, workshops etc., showing this issue and its neglect by the COF

  • ” June 2104 feedback from the leisure centre shows a need for maintaining toilets cleanliness
  • Arthur head placemaking brought up toilets as in issue in 2013?
  • Article in the gazette, “Public toilet facilities raise a stink
  • Article in the herald,  “BEACH LOO BLUE
  • Article in the herald  “COUNCIL TAKES 4 DAYS TO CLEAR LEIGHTON LOO”
  • Bill Massie has raised the issues of Toilets in the CBD, High St Mall, not being enough, easy to find or being closed, he was scoffed at by fellow Councillors for raising the issue? Funny considering the toilet petition was in their ward?
  • Approx. 4 yrs. ago a 1000 strong petition was reportedly handed to council to fix toilets and upgrade south beach facilities which have been described as 3rd world, still waiting?
  • Point St Car-park toilets have been closed?
  • No proper facilities or changing rooms for parents with babies?
  • In 2011 the International placemaker/vagabond David Engwicht, mentioned the message toilets sent in Kings Sq, about how they looked, I wonder what message it sends when you can’t find any, perhaps it send a message don’t stay to long or we don’t care?
  • They built a skate park for kids to use no toilet facilities, so where do u think the kids go, u guessed it right in the park.
  • Council plan is to give the toilet problem to the local businesses and all the associated problems with it, side note saw a great you tube from CC on this sort of idea last year, its classic?
  • Council made a local business trying to install a toilet, life as hard as possible to do?

Would health inspectors allow businesses to run with toilets in the condition the city maintains theirs?

Is this how the COF, activates Fremantle?

What does the city have against toilets is the same as their anti-car campaign, maybe it’s because they use water, is this a new water saving initiative by council, we divest in toilets to save waste??

When a developer needs 3 million $$$ investment to drive their business model no problems, when it comes to years of complaints from ratepayers, residents, visitors, for basic amenity is there any action? Who what us please, no press time there?

We, wonder why people are drawn to big shopping centres, a few hints, cleanliness,  safety, little anti-social behaviour, clean safe toilets, parent comfort rooms, no over flowing bins, open shops, oh and plenty of car-parking, perhaps a few pluses in their favour?

It’s the basic’s, always the same, having toilets, maintaining the ones they have, emptying rubbish bins, not photo opportunities I know, but basic to the successful activation of our city, not to mention this is a basic service the aforementioned pay you to do, or not??

The stench of urine, is not a plus in the grunge appeal?

Fremantle Council, on the nose over Dunnys

07-8news-1 herald dunny pic

I see in the Chambers Newsletter they have an article or info piece on toilets from the COF and a link to a survey.

So it seems while the City of Fremantle has what you think would a responsibility in managing the city to supply such amenities as basic as public toilets?

In the survey they are trying to gauge the response from business owners/operators to open up their own toilets for public use?

For a city that has some of WA major tourist attractions this is pretty P1ss weak to say the least. You think if you paid rates as a business that these would be basic services a city would provide in at least the CBD?

Back in December 2104 ‘From the Chambers” (gives a new meaning right), the report identified the need I quote to “Provide for high quality public amenities (toilets etc.) that can be integrated with other activity to provide surveillance.

Below are a list of recent toilet comments, petitions, complaints, workshops etc., showing this issue and its neglect by the COF

  • ” June 2104 feedback from the leisure centre shows a need for maintaining toilets cleanliness
  • Arthur head placemaking brought up toilets as in issue in 2013?
  • Article in the gazette, “Public toilet facilities raise a stink
  • Article in the herald,  “BEACH LOO BLUE
  • Article in the herald  “COUNCIL TAKES 4 DAYS TO CLEAR LEIGHTON LOO”
  • Bill Massie has raised the issues of Toilets in the CBD, High St Mall, not being enough, easy to find or being closed, he was scoffed at by fellow Councillors for raising the issue? Funny considering the toilet petition was in their ward?
  • Approx. 4 yrs. ago a 1000 strong petition was reportedly handed to council to fix toilets and upgrade south beach facilities which have been described as 3rd world, still waiting?
  • Point St Car-park toilets have been closed?
  • No proper facilities or changing rooms for parents with babies?
  • In 2011 the International placemaker/vagabond David Engwicht, mentioned the message toilets sent in Kings Sq, about how they looked, I wonder what message it sends when you can’t find any, perhaps it send a message don’t stay to long or we don’t care?
  • They built a skate park for kids to use no toilet facilities, so where do u think the kids go, u guessed it right in the park.
  • Council plan is to give the toilet problem to the local businesses and all the associated problems with it, side note saw a great you tube from CC on this sort of idea last year, its classic?
  • Council made a local business trying to install a toilet, life as hard as possible to do?

Would health inspectors allow businesses to run with toilets in the condition the city maintains theirs?

Is this how the COF activates Fremantle?

What does the city have against toilets is the same as their anti-car campaign, maybe it’s because they use water, is this a new water saving initiative by council, we divest in toilets to save waste??

When a developer needs 3 million $$$ investment to drive their business model no problems, when it comes to years of complaints from ratepayers, residents, visitors, for basic amenity is there any action? Who what us please, no press time there?

We wonder why people are drawn to big shopping centres, a few hints, cleanliness,  safety, little anti-social behaviour, clean safe toilets, parent comfort rooms, no over flowing bins, open shops, oh and plenty of car-parking, perhaps a few pluses in their favour?

It’s the basic’s, always the same, having toilets, maintaining the ones they have, emptying rubbish bins, not photo opportunities I know, but basic to the successful activation of our city, not to mention this is a basic service the aforementioned pay you to do, or not??

The stench of urine is not a plus in the grunge appeal?

Update 1, Residents Speak,,,,,, it didn’t appear so.

more monkeys

Residence’s Speak, When Will Fremantle Council Hear???

My 1st update, to the fore-mentioned,

So Burt St had a good showing, a strong voice from their community, sending a clear message to council. Sent but not heard it seems. Bill Massie heard it, while others did vote against the R160, sadly it didn’t appear it was because of community representation but due to their own ideology, a word mentioned by quite a few community speakers. So Burt St R160 was voted in, though I see their community advertising, meeting’s, and voice got them some token amendments sadly which will not change the outcome. Well I guess voting in the next election, just became allot clear for the Burt St! Precinct.

What hasn’t changed in council, is the shocking PA system leaving many in the gallery scratching their heads on what is being said by members. Just because council may be not interested in hearing what the community is saying, doesn’t we don’t listen in the gallery. If you want to encourage people to take an interest, in what happens at chambers then fix the PA problems or maybe that’s the plan to discourage/keep out the ones trying to participate?

McCabe St another great turn out, great speakers, good knowledge, real passion another great community group, they stayed the execution by council tonight with a great turnout again lead by a Mosman-councillor, ex-Freo councillors and a plethora of community speakers. So they got what looks like lip service to their community consultation while some reports are being completed. To note, that several councillors inferred it will not change the outcome and at meetings before we have heard councillors say that they will extend community consultation but don’t expect it to change their minds?

I heard some real strange statements by councillors tonight, I have to go and check a few of them out so that will be another post.

Bill Massie made a great comment tonight about getting closed toilet facilities back open, while other councillors believed that pot plants where great activator of areas, really u have to wonder, unless of course they intend that u take a leak in the pot plants. Brad prefer to wait till the Kings Square project is complete before getting a toilet open, that’s a long time to cross your legs could be years, if history tells us anything? It really makes u wonder Bill mentioned getting a toilet in the High St mall, can u believe  a councillor actually scoffed at him, pretty much tells the story of why Freo has sunk so low? Shame Dave Hume didn’t give his anti-social speech at full council, at the Planning committee meeting he made a good point with it, guess he knows the “u can lead a horse to water but …..”

Speaking of water, more complains about lack of basic services at the beach, not restaurants or bars but simple stuff like drinking water, toilets, change rooms,showers etc. Issues about poor facilities at south beach, non at bathers, nothing at Leighton? Council harps on about its second city status, yet 3rd world countries can supply better basic facilities at the beach. What is amazing is they can spend over $1.5 million  pouring concrete on the esplanade but can’t supply basic facilities which are used by thousands of resident and visitors each weekend and hundreds every week day at our local beaches. I was at Port Beach last Tuesday about 6pm it was packed.

It’s looking clearer and clearer that placing ideology, or flashy media bites it more important than supplying basic services. No one puts your picture in the paper or clicks your like button button or tweet sm your story, over a simple drinking fountains, building a shower for the beach, public toilets, a place for Mums to securely and hygienically tend their infant’s needs, guess it’s not just flashy enough? Councillor Sullivan made a good point in reference to something else tonight about it’s the little things that count, well it’s also the basics that count too. In references I used quite allot in my industry. It doesn’t matter how good a chef you are or what fancy products you buy, to sell your guests, it’s the 1st impression that counts, when your Riedel crystal flute, has lipstick on the rim or a dirty thumb mark on the glass, the fact it has Perrier Jouët Belle Epoque Blanc de Blanc 2002 in it is lost, it’s that bad 1st impression u now have to overcome, instead of being ahead your behind. So it’s that a guest to our city that can’t find a car park at the beach, then somewhere to change or wash the sand off their feet or even get a sip of water. Its send quite a clear message, no one really cares, it’s the message graffiti sends, rundown public infrastructure, anti-social behaviour,,,, I can go on all night, but u get the idea.

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